Vegetarians Beware!

[Jennings]

Note this interesting comment from Thomas T at Mercola.Com:

"This headline should have read ...and certain fruits (and veges) once thought healthy, should not be eaten. Science moves forward, now beyond the fructose, that raises heart disease causing tri-glycerides, and insulin spikes causing obesity. The Cure and Prevention Of All Cancers, 2007, H R Clark PhD ND (page 97-111) shows the identified,, using resonance comparison, three plant phenols, chemicals, that ,inflame and thus degrade the pituatary, hypothalumus and pancreas that make up the three essential parts of the cancer nucleus. The cancer nucleus starts ALL tumors, and will later enter aninflamed organ. These phneols are phloridzin, chlorogenic acid and gallic acid respectively. Foods, other than fruit and veg, also contain one or more of these phenols. There have been identified a further 23 plant phenols, and also identified the specific organs they target and inflame. The inflamed organ allows easy entry for the cancer nucleus, (and cancer complex), to start the malignancy. Examples. Mango contains all three of the cancer nucleus-forming phenols. Then..Limes contain caffeic acid and cinnamic. Caffeic acid inflames 8 internal organs, (292-295 pages) and cinnamic the cochlea in the ear and the bladder. Often more than one phenol will target an organ. Reading this post, bear in mind that it took mainstream medicine four hundred years to accept that Vitamin C cures scurvy. While the doctors struggled with their then toxic metals etc and their patients suffered and died, the knowledgeable cured within days. Dont let the same happen to you. When you next see a shiny piece of fruit on the sgrocers shelf, wonder about the phenols it contains. The adage that all fruit and veg is good for you, no longer applies. Actually, we have known for 40 years that glyco-alkaloid containing veg, cucumber, potato, capsicum, tomato, egg plant, cause arthtus.. I have no financial interest in Dr Clark, but have been curing so called terminals with her protocols since 1995"

Sounds like a 'must read' book!

[Reesacat]

Jennings, could you post the link in the future so I could read the thread? I was able to find this one:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/11/29/why-large-amounts-of-fruit-may-not-be-healthy.aspx

[Reesacat]

I do think people eat too many sweet things-you can eat too much fruit.
The nightshade vegetables have been recommended to avoid if you have arthritis-in some they are sensitive to it. People can develop an intolerance to anything-even something good.

Most vegetables and fruits have a mix of compounds that are good and a few that might be harmful if taken by themselves. The Weston A. Price Foundation has studied how traditional food preparation (such as fermenting or soaking) neutralizes the ingredients that may cause problems and makes the healthy nutrients more available.
People have been eating those foods for thousands of years. I do respect the work of Dr. Clark, but think that is a bit extreme. The Incas used potatoes as their main food source and built a great civilization. Cucumbers were a staple in Egyptian diet 5,000 years BC.

There is a diet war over something on Mercola every week, and the extremists quote different 'experts' and have shouting matches.
People have different needs and also have changing diets in each stage of life (such as pregnancy or illness).

I think one thing we can all agree on is to eat real food-not processed, non-GMO, traditionally prepared. ( A GMO potato can really mess you up). Many of the studies they are using to promote one diet over another use GMO food, processed food, synthetic vitamins, etc. A study using pasturized milk will have a very different outcome than one using organic raw milk fermented into kefir.

Moderation is the sign of rational thinkers-I don't see very many in the newsletter.
The increasingly hsyterical tone of posters and the nasty fights make me question the integrity of the newsletter and information put forth by many.

I am at the point I don't read the newsletter regularly.
"Stepping off my soapbox" :)

[Jennings]

It is quoted in this week's issue dated November 29, 2008 - Issue 1193. Moderation and variety without consuming too much of anything is coming across with more than a resounding tinkle the more one reads and hears about dietetics. The information does, however, provide us with direction.

Here is what might be seen as a good example; chlorophyll was found (possibly in the 1940s) to be beneficial to us in a number of ways. As the consequence, it was extracted in its pure form and added to many food items, including toothpaste. Shortly afterwards it became apparent that it was deleterious to health and a slow poison so it fell out of favour. Later, it was discovered that it was beneficial but only in its natural form!

The message here is that nature, in its wisdom, has done a balancing act which we humans tend to ignore but, at our own peril. If it is natural it is probably okay; if it is processed then, beware!

[Reesacat]

The message here is that nature, in its wisdom, has done a balancing act which we humans tend to ignore but, at our own peril. If it is natural it is probably okay; if it is processed then, beware!

Hear! Hear!
Well Said!

I have great respect for Mother Nature and the wisdom of traditional cultures. One friend of mine said if it didn't exist 100 years ago we probably don't need it
(computers being the exception:)).

[Aaltrude]

One friend of mine said if it didn't exist 100 years ago we probably don't need it
(computers being the exception:)).

Perhaps my body is telling me this when I react to the vitamin and mineral supplements I have tried taking.

This statement could also be applied to Big Pharmas products.

[Jennings]

Aaltrude (http://www.hawkeshealth.net/community/member.php?u=6323); you are probably taking a vitamin overdose possibly of synthetic types too. If your diet also consists of processed foods remember that those too are loaded with synthetic vitamins. Try eating a plate of carrots and liver and you will probably have an overdose of vitamin 'A' even though they are natural foods.

[Aaltrude]

Jennings - I know how to tell which are the sunthetic vitamins and I avoid them. The only supplement I have managed to take successfully is vitamin B12 so there is no way I am overdosing. If you explore around on Hawkes Health you find in a number of places I have mentioned that I have multiple chemical sensitivity and one of the the effects of this disorder is numerous food intolerances. There are some supplements I know I need to take such as magnesium and Co Q10 but I react to just about everything I have tried and I will only try ones which appear to have safe ingredients. The reactions are probably to the binders ad fillers that are part of the supplements. My diet definitely does not include processed food and is largely organic. We own a farm which is two years through the three year process of conversion to organic certification.

[Reesacat]

I also have to watch even the natural supplements-the extraction process (even for natural ones) may involve chemical solvents; and the fillers/binders are a real problem-I can't tolerate corn, which is used extensively in the US.
Even the natural, whole food ones have things like soy lethicin or heat processing.
It is a real problem for the MCS/CFIDS people. I have seen reactions to almost everything in many of my friends.
I am down to herb teas, filling my own capsules with powdered herbs, and herbs extracted in vodka.
Might as well just drink the vodka............

[Jennings]

It almost sounds like a contradiction Aaltrude (http://www.hawkeshealth.net/community/member.php?u=6323), like you residing in one of the lesser populated countries of the world and on a farm yet are afflicted by chemical sensitivity. Would this have arisen from the manner that animals are fed today or how crops are sprayed?

Here is an interesting point. Some years ago it was found that the cardboard box containing corn flakes had more nutrition in it than the flakes! What did Messers Kellogs and others do, they added vitamins!

[Aaltrude]

I was working in the city in a "sick building" when I developed MCS. This is the reason we moved to the country.

[Jennings]

'Sick building'?

[Reesacat]

Sick Building Syndrome-people living or working in a building that makes them sick due to toxic mold, chemicals such as formadehyde in the cabinets or carpet, mercury in paint, mites or other contamination in air ducts, poor ventilation (common after the 1970's when buildings were sealed up to prevent energy loss, etc.

Symptoms include fatigue, asthma, eye/throat irritation, cough, headaches, dizziness, nausea, skin irritation, personality changes (due to neurotoxic effects such as depression, rage), difficulty concentrating, etc.

Often toxic mold is a problem after floods. My father and the church he belongs to was helping people after Hurricane Ike in the New Orleans area this fall. He had a bad cough from the mold as they were cleaning out a building. Even though the flood waters had been gone for a month, there was standing water and mud between the inside wall and the exterior wall.

His cough cleared up after they left the hurricane-damaged area, thanks be to God.

[PPARGammaGirl]

Aaltrude - here's a quick question for you. Do you get a rash from Elastoplast?

[Aaltrude]

Aaltrude - here's a quick question for you. Do you get a rash from Elastoplast?

No I don't or at least I didn't the last time I used it. I try to use it as little as possible to minimize the plastic exposure.

[Aaltrude]

The development of allergies does seem to be common in MCS but I have been fortunate to escape this. Although I have developed a number of food intolerances (an intolerance is different to an allergy) I have remained allergy free as I have been all my life so far. I wonder if my rural upbringing may be a factor here in helping me to avoid this aspect of MCS.

[Jennings]

Reesacat (http://www.hawkeshealth.net/community/member.php?u=7), your problem is not one that I have any experience of from meeting others. It seems to be one of the modern afflictions. I can envisage such a thing arising if the air one breathes is circulated as in sealed buildings, aircraft, and even autos. It sounds a bit scary. In the early part of last century the circulation of fresh air in buildings was seen to be imperative due to the high incidence of tuberculosis but this view no longer persists.

I was interested in reading that microwaving food and homogenising milk changes the structure of protein. In this changed state those proteins are not properly digested and seemingly are able to pass out of the stomach and into the blood stream in their undigested state. The consequence of this is autoimmune diseases. I wonder how much food we eat, especially when mobile, that is so affected?

Have you noticed the high incidence of business people who travel frequently and are dependent on flight or hotel meals who drop dead in their early 50s. The typical excuse is the stresses of over work but, is it?

[Reesacat]

Adrenal fatigue is a common cause of death that is underdiagnosed and leads to early death. It is like a heart attack for the adrenals.
Traveling, time changes (jet lag is very problematic) plus crap food in hotels and restaurants is a recipe for disaster. It is the stress of overwork-physical stress-on the adrenals kills people.

[Jennings]

Surely adrenal is caused through fear rather than work?

[Reesacat]

Not at all. Jet lag is a physical stressor.
Infections, mold, allergies, pregnancy, surgery, trauma are all physical causes.
Pollution in the work place is a big trigger.