Difference between nattokinase and lumbrokinase

[Islander]

Per the above, would also like a knowledgeable opinion on this product (I'm reserving comment):
http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/bolouke.htm

[mellowsong]

"NOTE: Nattokinase cannot do what BOLOUKE® can do. Nattokinase is a soybean curd enzyme made in Japan and is being sold as a less expensive alternative to BOLOUKE®. It is designed to digest soybean curd proteins and has a very weak action compared to ours. Also, since Nattokinase is a soy-based product, it is both a digestive inhibitor as well as a neurotoxin and we don't; recommend it. Nattokinase is NOT the same and doesn't work on the same enzymes or increase tPA..."

There is nothing I can say to this but that it is pure BULL!!! Yes, natto comes from soy. However, there is so little soy protein left in the end product that even most soy intolerant people can tolerate it. It is the protein and various compounds that cause digestive upsets, estrogen mimicking etc. These compounds are NOT present in nattokinase. As to the fact that it does not increase tPA, that too is false. Nattokinase definitely does increase tPA. tPA or tissue plasminogen activator is a protein involved in the breakdown of blood clots. This site gives an extensive discussion of nattokinase and tPA and other factors involved in clotting. http://www.purematters.com/herbs-supplements/n/nattokinase-subtilisin-nat I just want to note another inaccuracy: Neither nattokinase nor lumbrokinase works on enzymes, they ARE enzymes. I've seen claims that nattokinase only works within blood vessels while lumbrokinase can work throughout the body. Both can work anywhere the blood stream brings it to; for example, pulmonary fibrosis is scarring in the lungs but is not a blood vessel problem. Both enzymes can reverse or stabilize this condition.

Nattokinase has been around a lot longer than lumbrokinase and there is even more research backing its efficacy in everything from blood clot prevention to reversing athersclerosis to reversing pulmonary fibrosis. Functionally, they are very similar. The biggest difference is potency. Although you won't find FU (fibrinolytic units) listed for lumbrokinase and can't compare mg to mg for strength, studies do show lumbrokinase is the more potent of the 2. With that said, nattokinase at high dose is still more affordable for me than an equivalent amount of lumbrokinase.

[mellowsong]

I am not meaning to imply that there is anything wrong with lumbrokinase. Personally, it would be my first choice if I could afford it. I would not buy that site's product in a million years though because it is full of inaccuracies.

[Islander]

Thank you. That conforms all my reservations. Someone brought it to my attention and I withheld comment till I had heard from you. That "someone" may now join HH!

[wr7476]

Hi Islander. Good thread. Did that someone finally join?

[Islander]

Y'know, I don't remember what I posted where yesterday, let alone what someone said a month ago. Sorry, just can't recall.