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Islander
09-04-12, 06:49 PM
Genevra Pittman at Reuters Health
Tue Sep 4, 2012

(Reuters) - Organic produce and meat typically isn't any better for you than conventional food when it comes to vitamin and nutrient content, although it does generally reduce exposure to pesticides and antibiotic-resistant bacteria, according to a U.S. study.

"People choose to buy organic foods for many different reasons. One of them is perceived health benefits," said Crystal Smith-Spangler, who led a team of researchers from Stanford University and the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/04/us-organic-idUSBRE88303620120904?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews

Islander
09-04-12, 06:55 PM
Who wants to debunk? I'll start: "organic" does not merely mean free of pesticides or chemical fertilizers; it means, grown in healthy soil augmented with natural nutrients and trace minerals. Conventional fruits and vegetables are grown on depleted soils lacking in humus and any kind of life; what the soil does not contain, the plant cannot contain. I love these meta-analyses that end by saying, "More research is needed." The research has been done and it's been thorough; I wonder how people with shoddy investigative techniques get grants to continually re-invent a lopsided wheel.

Aaltrude
09-04-12, 07:12 PM
Michael Pollan Responds to Study Finding 'No Significant Health Benefit' to Organic Food
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/09/04/michael-pollan-organic-study/

Reesacat
09-04-12, 08:12 PM
Just on my experience — organic food tastes better. It doesn't seem to spoil in the same way conventional produce does. Case in point — peaches. Conventional peaches are too green or are rotten from the pit on out. They taste like crap.
I started getting organic peaches in season — they taste wonderful! They ripen correctly if a bit green, and occasionally have a small bruise. They smell like peaches. They are firm, not mushy. The skin peels right off if ripe.
You would think improved taste, smell, texture and no spoilage would indicate a superior nutritional product, n'est-ce pas?

highlander
09-05-12, 03:57 AM
What's annoying is I've seen people share that article on FB in an effort to prove their bass ackwards idea that it's true. You'd have to have zero comprehension of the points that Islander made about nutrients which seems self-evident. :: sigh :: The lemmings are hell-bent on self-destruction.

Julieanne
09-05-12, 06:14 AM
Makes me wish I had been more vigilant in filing away those articles I come across now and then, about some aspect of organic food which is superior to conventional food. I can't possibly remember them all, but there have been many over the years.

Islander
09-05-12, 09:25 AM
Here's another refutation of that article. And I forgot ALL ABOUT the exclusion of GMOs from organic food! http://www.anh-usa.org/new-junk-science-study-dismisses-nutritional-value-of-organic-foods/


Makes me wish I had been more vigilant in filing away those articles I come across now and then, about some aspect of organic food which is superior to conventional food. I can't possibly remember them all, but there have been many over the years.
Julieanne, there's quite a number of them in our organic forum here!

Aaltrude
09-06-12, 05:14 PM
Here is another response exposing that study...

5 Ways the Stanford Study Sells Organics Short
—By Tom Philpott| Wed Sep. 5, 2012

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/09/five-ways-stanford-study-underestimates-organic-food

Reesacat
09-06-12, 05:43 PM
Thank you Aaltrude — I enjoy Tom Philpott's knowledgable no-nonsense approach and he was spot on in this article!

Mr. Wizard
09-06-12, 07:24 PM
This is the most fickled study I've ever heard of. It states, basically, that ogranic food isn't any better for you than conventional food......although it does generally reduce exposure to pesticides and antibiotic-resistant bacteria." Well, that says it all. Organic food is better for you if it saves your body from the harm caused by pesticides and resistant bacteria. Pesticides are toxic and poison the body, despite the USDA's mumbo jumbo about acceptable levels of pesticides. Just ask the 20,000 agricultural workers who suffer from pesticide poisoning every year. Pesticides harm you....so if organic food does nothing more than reduce my toxic load from reduced pesticides, then in my book, organic food is better for you. Period.

Reesacat
09-06-12, 07:25 PM
Don't forget organic is not GMO.....that is another huge benefit.

Islander
09-06-12, 11:50 PM
Don't forget organic is not GMO.....that is another huge benefit.
I didn't forget...post #7!

Julieanne
09-07-12, 12:11 AM
Mr Wizard - fickled? It's not in my dictionary - an American expression perhaps?

Islander
09-08-12, 09:19 AM
Article Debunking Organic Food Hit Piece Targeted by Massive Cyber Attack (http://naturalsociety.com/article-debunking-organic-food-hit-piece-cyber-attack/)

Anthony Gucciardi
NaturalSociety
September 5, 2012

On the night of September 2, after hearing about the ridiculous study that demonized organic food and claimed that it was virtually the same as GMO-laden conventional food, I decided to shoot a short 9 minute video within an accompanying article (http://naturalsociety.com/ridiculous-study-claims-organic-same-as-conventional/) breaking down the study....we were hit with a massive attack between the early morning hours of September 4th (as the piece really began to gain traction) and the night of the same day. Hit by a complicated series of denial of service attack (known as a DDoS attack) resulting in a complete server crash...

Read more about the attempt to suppress this story: http://naturalsociety.com/article-debunking-organic-food-hit-piece-cyber-attack/

Reesacat
09-08-12, 12:01 PM
Dang that is scary! Not surprised they got attacked with Prop 37 to label GMO's coming up in California.........

Islander
09-11-12, 10:20 AM
Yet another rebuttal: http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/09/opinion/should-we-buy-organic-foods/

Islander
09-13-12, 02:58 PM
More rebuttals: http://www.care2.com/causes/critics-raise-alarms-over-stanford-organics-study.html#ixzz26A4pMAhK

and

http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2012/09/re-doubling-my-commitment-to-organic-food/

Aaltrude
09-13-12, 05:33 PM
...and yet more.
http://www.infowars.com/busted-co-author-of-flawed-stanford-organic-study-has-deep-ties-to-big-tobaccos-anti-science-propaganda/

Islander
09-21-12, 02:59 PM
And another: http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/organic-produce-validity-organic-food-studies?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Alerts&utm_content=NEW+DHT+9%2F21%2F12