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    Default Canada Bans Off-Grid Living (And It’s Happening In The U.S., Too)

    Daniel Jennings
    August 5, 2015

    It is illegal for Cheryl Smith to live in her own home because it doesn’t have electricity.
    Officials in Clark’s Harbour, Nova Scotia, are refusing to give Smith a certificate of occupancy to live in her new house because it has no power. She since has stopped working on the home.
    “Why am I being forced to rely on electricity or fossil fuels or whatever if I don’t want to?” Smith asked CTV.
    Smith cannot get a certificate of occupancy because national building codes in Canada require new homes to have wiring for smoke detectors and ventilation systems.

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    My smoke detector runs on batteries, I think most of them do. There is an ad in the newspaper every year in Oz reminding people to change their batteries on April 1st.

    This is disgraceful, but if it were me I would follow the recommendations of a builder in the comments. No point in 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' and leaving your house empty. While I understand how she feels, she is being stubborn for the sake of a principle, and not getting anywhere.

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    I agree, Julie. Sometimes compromise is the only reasonable solution.
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    In these cases "compromise" generally means paying for services that will never be used by the homeowner. If this is a tax, then the government should call it a tax, and should be honest about it.

    As the obvious example, a portion of the taxes that I pay goes to fund public schools. I have no children in school, but do pay my taxes anyway. If the cost of having each home connected with the "grid" in all its many manifestations is to be assessed to each homeowner, perhaps this should become part of the property tax that each homeowner must pay to the government.

    All the rest of this convoluted dancing around about the public good being served by connecting to the grid is just so much stuff and nonsense, and should be discussed as what it is, nonsense. Just impose the tax and be done with it.

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    Maurya, I agree with the rest of your post, but the funding of public schools is an example of socialism that benefits all. We all contribute to it and everyone has access to public schools at no cost. You and I benefited, and so did those of us with children. We all benefit from an educated populace.

    And yes, for the rest, stuff and nonsense!
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    Islander, we do not disagree about any of this. Public schools indeed are the example for a proper use of our taxes. My point was just that when a governmental entity decides to impose a tax, it should be called a tax. That way, a homeowner who does not use the "services" provided by the "grid" could be required to pay the tax anyway, just as most of us are quite willing to pay the tax that provides for public schools. My objection is to the transparently bogus rational about connecting to the grid for public safety purposes or any other such transparent BS. Call it a tax, require everybody to pay the tax, and quite requiring the connections to the grid to be made.

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    Say "Islander" that "Off the Grid News" is a great link, both the content and the forum, thanks. Apparently, that gal built her small home within the boundaries of an incorporated town, she needs to live further out in the county. Also, registering her small house as an RV (on wheels and not a MH) MIGHT be helpful in avoiding COs (certificate of occupancy).

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    Your RV registration might work, except that her tiny house is not on wheels. As for the town or country location, the article makes it clear that this is federal legislation and thus not anything that can be manipulated at the local or regional level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islander View Post
    ... As for the town or country location, the article makes it clear that this is federal legislation and thus not anything that can be manipulated at the local or regional level.
    I'm questioning that "Federal Code" due to this anecdotal comment by a forum reader, who "woke" me up with the following comment;

    Mike August 30, 2015 at 11:18 am "This article is very misleading. Canadian codes DO NOT ban off grid living. Journalists have a duty to report on the fact and not mislead with this type of alarmist writing."

    I am very inclined to believe that comment, as the article was probably written by know-nothing urban media types, who wouldn't know anything about rural/wilderness living if they fell over it. I guess everyone who lives in the north woods of the Yukon, NW and other far reaching northerly Territories and Provinces will be forced to move to town if they don't have electricity. In the U.S., that would be considered an affront to State's Rights, to say the least.

    And if there is any element of truth to this media report, then I have to say that big government control freaks know no bounds, and the (mainstream) media is complicit.
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    I don't have time to read comments! As someone upthread pointed out, smoke detectors run on batteries and ventilation is an open window. Likely the author didn't do a thorough investigation, but the name-calling in your post sounds more like Mike Adams than Grulla. Let's keep it respectful.

    BTW, I'm familiar with the FL case, as well as that of a family with 4-5 children that was driven off what seemed to be a safe, comfortable campsite. AFAIC, if the land belongs to you and you're harming no one, it's no one else's business. If someone wants to say that our government is broken, I couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Islander View Post
    I don't have time to read comments! As someone upthread pointed out, smoke detectors run on batteries and ventilation is an open window. Likely the author didn't do a thorough investigation, but the name-calling in your post sounds more like Mike Adams than Grulla. Let's keep it respectful.

    BTW, I'm familiar with the FL case, as well as that of a family with 4-5 children that was driven off what seemed to be a safe, comfortable campsite. AFAIC, if the land belongs to you and you're harming no one, it's no one else's business. If someone wants to say that our government is broken, I couldn't agree more.
    Let's not give Mike Adams a bad name, the man speaks truth to power and that's never easy or pop you latr ventilation is all about airing out no matter how loud and stinky it may be so are diapers.

    Our government (USA) fails on the most basic aspects but ultimately succeeds on the commplicated gimme money and you got it facets. Hillaryous crime pays more than you'll ever know unless you're a criminal pro or a politician same thing.

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    No one needs to give Mike Adams a bad name, he's created it for himself. I can say this with some authority because I once worked for the man, back in the day when he was relatively ethical and focused almost solely on health and nutrition. That's not the conspiratorial, sensationalized, condescending Mike Adams we know today. Site is an echo chamber; you had better agree with him or your lifespan in the comments will be dramatically shortened. When I have called him out on misleading statements or outright lies, my comment disappears within the first 60 seconds or so. That's why his followers appear to be a crowd of Mike Adams dittoheads.
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    Hear, hear! I subscribed for a while, but it was a waste of time. As Islander said, if you don't toe the party line your comment is removed - or if it appears you are called a troll. He calls himself a journalist, but makes no attempt to even pretend to be unbiased. He lies, exaggerates and distorts the truth; his articles rely on sensational, paranoid writing verging on hysteria. It's really, really bad 'journalism'. Few commenters bother to check his sources - if they did they would often find a different story.

    He pushes his own political views and indulges in rudeness and name-calling if you have any other opinion - he constantly refers to Democrats as 'libtards'. Like Trump, who he supports, he incites anger and hatred in his followers. Many of them are barely literate - those whose comments get through - so not able to separate facts from fantasy or understand a logical argument. Many of them think the solution to all problems is to shoot or hang the offending person. Adams has an ego the size of a planet, and boasts of his achievements at every opportunity. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. The man is a menace.
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    "...but the name-calling in your post sounds more like Mike Adams than Grulla." ME? I have never been able to listen to Mike Adams, as the only talk radio program that is aired locally hear that has readible radio reception is Rush Limbaugh. And I only listen to Limbaugh to stay informed of other politicos thinking. From what I've heard and read about Mike Adams through you and others, I get the impression that Adams=Trump. I prefer political thinkers and 3rd party candidates like former NM Gov Gary Johnson. And if the news media can't report responsibly, they should be held responsible for their actions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxdi_EcuyuI

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    Grulla, it's a website, not a broadcast (although he also does the occasional video or podcast): naturalnews.com. It's the one Merc constantly asterisks out, and for good reason. Merc is a bit dodgy, but Mike has stepped off into another universe, as Julieanne says. Your allusion to "know-nothing urban media types" is typical of the disparaging language he uses. It's too bad that greed is pushing his current agenda, because there was a time when he was a reliable and committed source of information about diet and wellness. These days he's using the same tools that all ego-driven megalomaniacs use: find a scapegoat to hate or fear (primarily the medical industry, but add the "lamestream media," "libtards," any branch of government or any other group that divides "us" from "them.") Tell a lie often enough and it will be believed. Paint a disaster for us, as Merc does, and then color himself as the savior — in both cases, by selling us products.

    Funny how the parallels emerge when critical thinking skills are used to examine the methodology. The major difference is that Merc uses professional language to describe how we're going to die each day. Note that neither promotes his products directly in the texts: Adams uses sidebar ads; Merc relies on his cascade of ads under the daily article headlines, as well as DTC videos, that you don't see, Grulla, because you're not a subscriber. There's a reason for this: the FDA's rules about making health claims for supplements. Our friend has received multiple "stop and desist" letters and has finally had to back off entirely from any mention of benefits. I LOL when members ask, "Where can I get this wonderful XYZ?," not understanding that the whole page constitutes an advertisement for it. If a commenter replies with another source, the comment is rapidly deleted.
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