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    Default Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    Mike Murphy
    Aug 15, 2019

    Greenland? Seriously? That was the prevailing reaction late Thursday after the Wall Street Journal reported President Donald Trump has expressed interest in the U.S. buying Greenland.
    The report said Trump’s interest has had “varying degrees of seriousness,” but said he has asked advisers about it repeatedly. Sources told the Journal that Trump may see Greenland as an Alaska-like purchase that would expand America’s reach and serve as his lasting legacy.

    Continue reading at: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-may-want-to-buy-greenland-and-the-internet-says-wait-what-2019-08-15
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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    Interesting. I have always had a fascination with Greenland, a country larger than Mexico, and a population of only 57.000, with lots of farming and fishing possibilities and resources. Theoretically, organic farming should be a lot easier in that cooler climate due to far less insects.
    https://modernfarmer.com/2013/10/arctic-farming/
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+greenland...ges&iax=images
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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    Grulla, I'm glad you posted pix of Greenland because they help to illustrate the agricultural challenges. I've been to Iceland and Greenland, and both countries share much the same landscape: the interior is all mountains, glaciers and volcanoes. I walked a mile to a coastal Inuit village in Greenland (near Kulusuk on the southeast coast, if you have a map) in early June when there was still a foot of snow on the ground. Agriculture could only succeed on the west coast thanks to the Gulf Stream, but that's in the process of changing direction or disappearing completely... which would wreak havoc throughout Iceland, Greenland, the British Isles and northern Europe.

    We are approaching that historical period called the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) from about 900–1300 AD, when conditions were warm enough to lure tens of thousands of Danes to Greenland to farm. They lived side by side with the Inuit, who had been there for thousands of years. The end of the MWP had no effect on the Inuit who lived on fish and marine mammals, but the Danes who chose to remain never abandoned their European culture. If they had adapted to the Inuit diet they could have survived.

    The other challenge to agriculture is one common to all circumpolar regions: six months of darkness. A greenhouse can protect against cold, but nothing grows in darkness. Food and supplies would still need to be shipped in — and this brings all the evils of modern civilization, including sugar, alcohol, hot dogs and disposable diapers. I've seen this myself in a tiny village on the south coast where the native people still live primarily on a marine diet, but trade with a modest store supplied by Denmark. Near the water's edge, almost side by side, are the hut where the women process sealskins, and the trash pile of Pampers.
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    "... — and this brings all the evils of modern civilization, including sugar, alcohol, hot dogs and disposable diapers." And don't forget industrial farming, ala Monsanto.
    If seasonal growing in the winter is a problem, here is an example of modern grow lighting, though many would argue of it's organic and nutritional integrity. Looks like something they would have to resort to if they ever colonize Mars.
    http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6238

    I just now took the time to further expand on "images". Based on all those pix, Greenland is one fine example of an untouched, pristine land, with their farming culture included. I would shudder at the thought of American type commercialism and casino resorts popping up there.
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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    "No thanks, we're not for sale, aghast Greenland tells Trump"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-in-purchasing

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    Quote Originally Posted by grulla View Post
    If seasonal growing in the winter is a problem, here is an example of modern grow lighting, though many would argue of it's organic and nutritional integrity. Looks like something they would have to resort to if they ever colonize Mars.
    So, Grulla, where is the example?
    I can assure you, based on my experiences with the cannabis community, that growing under artificial light is prohibitively expensive for anything of lesser value than, well, drugs.
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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    And here is this morning's EcoWatch's take on the Greenland idea:
    https://www.ecowatch.com/trump-green...2#rebelltitem2

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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    "Trump asked a room fool of advisers," Was this deliberate?

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    As ludicrous as the US purchase of Greenland might be, the concept is not completely unprecedented. Here in the US Virgin Islands we celebrate Transfer Day every year on 31 March. 102 years ago Denmark, which owns Greenland as well, was persuaded to sell our islands to the US. What were they thinking? So now we are the unwanted step child of Uncle Sam, with the world's highest electricity rates, and little value to anyone except for the idiots who think that they are going to start refining oil again, even in the absence of the sour crude that we used to obtain from Venezuela. Our main industry seems to be imported refinery workers, and hurricane relief workers who have a very poor track record of taking the FEMA money and absconding.

    Someone counted that we had 35 electrical power outages last week, some short, some longer. Although others quickly chimed in with slightly varying estimates, you get the idea. Fried appliances from the associated voltage surges are the norm. All but one AT&T cell phone tower have been non-functional since last week, and never really have been fully repaired since the hurricanes. Fingers are being pointed; even a possible lightning strike is being blamed. Internet has been hit or miss since the hurricanes, as well. So evidently this was a poorly thought out purchase 102 years ago. Why would anyone think that a snap decision about purchasing a large arctic landmass in a rapidly changing region possibly could go any better? SMDH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julieanne View Post
    "Trump asked a room fool of advisers," Was this deliberate?
    LOL, I don't think so... but how appropriate! Good catch, Juileanne!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurya View Post
    So now we are the unwanted step child of Uncle Sam...
    Yours is a tragic situation — and you don't even have a Senator or House member. Were you fully aware of the USVA challenges when you decided to relocate there?
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    Oh yes, the challenges were well known, and I had visited here several times prior to relocating. We do have a non-voting delegate to the US congress. The infrastructure decline has worsened markedly during the past few years, and it still does sort of amaze me that we have been completely ignored by the US mainland since the hurricanes destroyed everything two years ago. I naively did think that we were meant to be a part of the US. The "president" met with our Governor shortly after the hurricanes and referred to him as the "President of the Virgin Islands". He actually thought that we were just another impoverished third world country with our hand out to receive foreign aid, rather than a part of "his" nation. This is when we realized that our parent nation had totally abandoned us. Saying anything further about this would stray into the realm of politics, which is forbidden on this forum.

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    Default Re: Trump may want to buy Greenland and the internet says ‘wait, what?’

    Apply for statehood as the state of the "Virgin Islands". If Hawaii (as the Hawaiin Islands) can do it, then so could St Croix et al.

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    Ooops, "Islander" just reminded me that I forgot the Mars lighting pic and link to post #4. LET THERE BE LIGHT, lol!: http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6238
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    Quote Originally Posted by grulla View Post
    Apply for statehood as the state of the "Virgin Islands". If Hawaii (as the Hawaiin Islands) can do it, then so could St Croix et al.
    The entire group of islands which comprise the US Virgin Islands have a population of less than 100,000 since the hurricanes forced many people to leave. This population is not even remotely close to enough to form a state. For Puerto Rico, statehood might make senes, but I don't want to get involved with that huge political football. For us though, it would be complete idiocy.

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