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    Default Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    Bill Stephens
    November 26, 2019

    NEW YORK CITY — The most immediate threat to railroads is not autonomous trucking but electric powered trucks, which will arrive much sooner and will be significantly cheaper to operate than diesel rigs.
    That’s the conclusion of transportation consultant Rod Case, a partner at Oliver Wyman who spoke at the RailTrends 2019 conference last week.
    “We would like to reinforce the issue is not the driverless truck,” Case says. “The issue is competing on the energy inputs and the rate this gets adopted.”

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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    There is not only an ongoing threat to coal mining, but diesel emissions as well, all for cleaner air.

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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    Coal is already dead; it's not an issue. Thankfully, we will soon be seeing an end to diesel emissions as well. Not only will electric trucks replace diesel powered trucks, but electric and even trackless trains are replacing carbon emissions. Sadly, these improvements are not soon enough or wide enough to make much of a difference in the ultimate effects of climate change.
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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    Quote Originally Posted by Islander View Post
    ...Not only will electric trucks replace diesel powered trucks, but electric and even trackless trains are replacing carbon emissions...
    Here is what the Dutch have accomplished in Holland:
    https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/08...00-wind-power/

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    Yup. And check out China. Here, I'll save you Google time: https://truththeory.com/2019/11/20/n...r8gz9cfVCW3maQ
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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    Just what we need: more trucks (electric or not) on the roads. Railroads carry a much larger capacity (pound for pound), at a cheaper overall rate. With increased investments and the addition of technology (like Islander's example of "levitating" trains, the nation's railways could prove far superior to electric trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard View Post
    Just what we need: more trucks (electric or not) on the roads. Railroads carry a much larger capacity (pound for pound), at a cheaper overall rate. With increased investments and the addition of technology (like Islander's example of "levitating" trains, the nation's railways could prove far superior to electric trucks.
    Agreed, "Mr.Wizard", but unfortunately local private railroad sidings at various warehouse and factory locations have become less popular over the years due to containerized (intermodal) shipping, where railroads only pickup and deliver modular city to city shipping containers at various intermodal piggyback and seacontainer yard facilities, and then the containers are distributed to the various factories and warehouses via semi-trucks. And it's probably those local inner city traffic deliveries that you are complaining about, and not so much (???) the over-the-road semis on the high speed interstate highways.

    Some private railroad sidings still exist in big cities, high volume mines, and shortline RR branches that were acquired by investors, from major railroads for the very purpose of specialized catering to local RR shippers' needs. But unfortunately, the trucking industry adage, (paraphrased) "if a train shipped it, one way or another a truck was involved" has become more and more true over the years.

    The Euros, Russia, as well as some other countries, are well known for their clean electric mainline railroads for both freight and passenger service, whereas in the U.S., due to various economics situations, most all mainline RR electrification use for freight trains has disappeared, being ONLY used for passenger service, such as the densely populated areas in the Boston/NYC/DC Amtrak corridor.

    In Europe, Russia, and other places, clean(er) electric mainline freight is quite common, though modular RR container shipments still require local distribution via semi-trucks from the RR's intermodal container shipping yard facilities to the local warehouses and factories that are distant from any RR RoW.

    Here are examples of clean(er) electric RR freight shipment in Europe, something not seen in the U.S. since former Conrail discontinued electric mainline freight on it's former Pennsylvania RR mainlines, back in the circa 70s/80s, and now only used by Amtrak passenger trains and commuter lines, while only diesels pull the freight trains: https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-ima...-image33622524

    The RR industry needs to return to clean electrification via safe safe nuclear powerplants such as liquid fluoride thorium reactors, (LFTRs), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid...horium_reactor , so that they can totally electrify the entire North American RR systems for both mainline freight and passenger services.
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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    grulla, thanks for a detailed, very enlightening post. I was not aware of tension between the railroads and intermodal shipping. I couldn't help but think about the increasing vulnerability of both modes of transportation to the problematic effects of climate change. Increased and continued flooding, devastating wildfires, and the rising searing heat will all take their toll on the rail lines, while increasingly acidic oceans, rising seas, and intensified hurricanes will impact ship maintenance and ship routes, respectively. And, all these things will ultimately increase operational costs, which undoubtedly will be passed on to us the consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard View Post
    grulla, thanks for a detailed, very enlightening post. I was not aware of tension between the railroads and intermodal shipping...
    There is no tension between the two, as it's the railroads themselves that have promoted and developed that intermodal modular container, piggyback, trailer-on flatcar (TOFC) concept. If there are any tensions at all, it would be between the railroads and the long distance, over-the-road (not local) trucking industry drivers, whether or not elctrified.
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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    And here is some electrifying news from Sweden, http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire...tric-streetcar UNLOCKED article

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    Default Re: Electric trucks could be a jolt of bad news for railroad volumes

    Thanks for the clarification. I've learned a lot about these issues, thanks to you.

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